The pursuit is where I feel most alive.

0:00When I look back on my life, the things that I enjoyed the most have been the pursuit, not [music] the goal. I saw this interview from Kobe that I just like loved, and they said, "So, most athletes are either uh really afraid of losing, or they really want to win." And he says, "I don't think I'm either." He [music] just wanted to do the absolute best he possibly could, divorced of outcome. A lot of people will say something like, "Yeah, I just I just want to try really hard." But then there's like the second part of the sentence where they're like, "So that I can win, so that I can whatever." Which means that that's still not the goal, it's just the vehicle. [music] So, all my happiest times are like when I was even in the struggle, sleeping in the gym. Like, when you have a worthy foe that challenges you to the nth of your ability and forces you to get better, [music] that flow is where I feel most alive.