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Heroes use pain and villains are used by it.
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0:00for people who are not where they want to be. Is it they have pain, like oodles of pain. And I remember when I was starting out, I was looking for passion. I was looking for purpose. I was like, I just want to find something that I'm motivated by. Versus saying like, this is terrible. And because of this terribleness, I now have something that I can run away from. Rather than not looking at the knife or trying to take painkillers to not feel the pain, it's completely sobering up, taking the knife [music] and twisting it in your own heart and being like, I'm going to do something about this. It's not avoiding pain, it's choosing for me the very beginning the alchemy, which is like you have these terrible situations and you have the opportunity to turn turn them into magic.