Einblick in Alex Hormozis privates Mastermind

0:02How are we doing, bro? >> Alhamdulillah. Very good. >> Yeah. >> It's nice to have you on, bro. I've uh I've been I we we met for coffee uh like 2 days ago. >> Mhm. And I was saying that I I I I saw your stuff a few months ago online and I was a really big fan of it, man, because I think that uh uh I love the fact that you uh were so very clear in your positioning of what it is that you do and you're also very clearly Muslim, conservatively Muslim. And I think that um we need more of of that kind of like identity online and you're trying to push Muslims kind of in the right direction um in business and things like that. I think your thumbnails were absolutely great. Who did your thumbnails?

0:43>> You did them yourself? >> No, no, no. I don't No, not at all. How do I have a good team? But it was multiple people over time. I just look at the best. I nerd out on this stuff. So, I would we would try 10 different thumbnails and we only post one. >> Fine. Okay. You're like, if I was to try and like figure out a way to define you. Uh, I would say that it looks like you're gearing up to become the uh the Muslim Alex Hamuzi. How do you feel about that definition? I hear that so many times and ended up buying 10,000 of his books. So, it didn't really help.

1:11>> How much did that cost? >> $250 grand. >> $250,000. >> 264 to be precise. >> And what was that? Cuz I saw he did that with people. So, like you can buy 10,000 copies and you go and have a meeting with him. >> It was if you buy Yeah. It was if you buy over 100,000, but that's after cuz I was the first one to do a a donation that size. After that, they said, "Oh, cuz the maximum you could donate on the website was a,000." >> A,000 books. Yeah. >> Which is $250,000. was 20 24,000

1:37>> $24,000. Okay. >> Yeah. It was around $24 a book. So a,000 books was $24,000 and you would get a packet for that. And I went there and I had a crazy idea. I wanted to do kind of a marketing stunt. And I called the support team and I said, "I want to buy 10,000. I can't check out on the website. Can you like send me a link? I I'll bank transfer it." And I just did it. And from there, they're like, "Oh, wait. There's there's some people who would buy more than just a thousand." And then they went on school and made a school post saying, "If you want if you want to donate over 100,000, we invite you for a day."

2:04>> Because of you. I'm pretty sure because I was the first I I didn't do it for the incentive. I did it before the incentive was there. I did it for a marketing stunt to there's a few things we can speak about why I did it and also to is beneficial. People would get a free book >> and then so did you get to meet? Hey guys, just going to break in the board to say that um this episode is with uh Abad Abah and he uh has runs a program, a mentorship in fact uh where he basically helps and trains other young Muslims to do what he did to become uh financially stable and successful and that is that he started running an influencer marketing agency. So he would find brands who are permissible and morally correct uh so that not problematic Islamically essentially and then he'd find influencers who also were not problematically problematic essentially and then he would find the deal and um then also find the influencer but it's a lot more than that. um it's this is a very big business model right now that exists in the world but he's built a framework and a business model around it that is both permissible uh but also um scalable and so he helps other Muslims do that and to help other Muslims do that he runs a mentorship where he's basically with you him and his team uh for around 6 months and so if you're interested in that if you want to start your journey entrepreneurship and you think this is a good business model for you click the link in the description uh and you can uh become one of his mentees uh caveat at is really important. Two things that he really wanted me to mention was one this is not a quick get quick rich scheme. Okay. Uh you have to put in the time you put in the hours. Uh and then the second point was adding on to that that uh you should you should be able to put in about 4 hours a day for for 2 to 6 months. Uh but they've had really successful um case studies of people who have started this mentorship and become very successful off of it. Uh so anyway, do check that out. The link is is in the description.

3:56But also, uh, if you want the notes from this episode, hey, we've written them for you. So, don't worry about getting your pen and paper out. Just go to, uh, the link in the description or go to notes.fg.dia and you'll find the notes for this episode there. Goodbye. Enjoy the rest of this episode. Bye. >> Yeah. So, from that, I got an email like two weeks after. Thank you for being one of the top donators. We'd like to invite you for a day with So, it was with Alex, um, Chiron, the new president, and Lei.

4:25Okay. And how was that meeting? >> That was good. That was a whole day from literally from the morning. We had a workout in the morning. They have a massive gym. >> A workout in the morning. >> Yeah, cuz they have a massive gym in the ground floor. >> Okay. >> I think it's underground even. So on the they have a building. You seen the building? >> Yeah. It's the building that has acquisition logo. So the whole building is theirs. >> Yeah. I think it was a previous UFC building. >> Okay. >> So they kept the gym that they had in the ground floor cuz the the guys used to work out there, the fighters >> and they have a massive That's Alex's gym. So we worked out there. It's literally written there's a poster written Alex's gym. This is my personal gym but I allow you to work out here

4:58>> and like the team works out there and everything. So it was it was really good. >> Okay. >> And from that we had just it was literally a room like this and for maybe 8 hours we were there. It was me and six other guys. It was seven total. >> So it's very very close small net. >> Yeah. >> And what stuff was being discussed there? Can you disclose? >> Oh sure. Yeah. Ask me any questions. I'm busy. >> So what what was happening that day? Just for context, I was sitting here. It was a similar table, similar size. This can see about 10 people. I was sitting here.

5:26>> Yeah. This kind of table is like, you know, like all us like you know successful guys just know the right tables to put [laughter] >> and he was sitting there. >> Okay. >> And um I don't know if you know Cole Gordon. >> No, >> he's a big big sales guy. >> Okay. >> Uh has a sales program and so forth was sitting here and then the rest of the guys were sitting there. >> So uh quite close. Yeah. >> So what kind of like discussions were having? So was it like um was there a format to the day or was it just like open and you could just ask questions and stuff?

5:54>> What's interesting is they didn't give us an agenda or format as in this the itinerary we'll do this and that. It was working in the morning mastermind for the whole day and then dinner at night >> and no one was out to film. >> No, they filmed everything and sent us the footage. Okay. >> But when you walk in there's like I signed like five pages of papers. You can't film, you can't take pictures. The first thing I realized I was in America. It was also my first time in America. I was >> And where was this in America?

6:18>> Las Vegas. The HQ is in Las Vegas. So peak city for >> you get the point. Um [laughter] >> it was interesting. I walked in there and they had a security guard and the first thing we did was literally sign like I don't know how many NDAs and I understand why because I'm into media and I understand what people could do but I was so surprised as of why like I I was reading through everything and it was you cannot take a picture of them while they're working out. And I like, why would I even think of doing this in the first place? But turns out some people

6:47>> people would. Yeah. I think you would not do that anyway because you can tell that you're very You know what I like about your brand, bro? Uh, and I speak to Imran about this when he said to me, "Oh, do you know Abu?" I was like, "No, I don't know him, but I've seen his stuff." And I was saying like, "Oh, he's not on Instagram." At the time, you were like either not on Instagram or you like you basically had like two posts, but you're huge on YouTube. And you know what that told me? That told me that you're not looking for fame. I might be wrong here. And you might be like, "No, I love it." But what it told me cuz short short form is the way to to to to go viral and YouTube is a place to provide value

7:22>> and you were so like um strong had such a strong presence on YouTube >> and you had zero presence on Instagram which confused me and I was like subhan Allah like that actually makes me kind of I have like great assumptions about you which is it's not to say anything bad about anyone who's on short form because we we do all of our stuff on short form as well. I have a team that repurposed my YouTube uh content along from onto show from just it helps people.

7:46>> But I I guess it just like made me realize that you um that you really care about the value that you're giving and then on top of that doing these kind of things in private masterminds and stuff like that. >> Um before we go into all of that though I just um what let's finish off the discussion about your day with Alex Hoszi. So um yeah like what kind of takeaways did you take from it and what kind of questions did you ask? What was interesting is the way they structure. I really like how they structure their masterminds. They don't really have a presentation or anything they'll share. They bring smart people who know how to solve most of the problems you'll have and then they just ask you questions about your issues and then share their experiences of them going through it. Cuz a lot of times when you grow a business that size and you have that many people, you've seen a lot of things and you can it's very easy to just see someone's issue and see how someone else solved it and just share that and that's the most the most valuable thing. So it wasn't really specific [clears throat] questions. They would ask by doing a they would start the day by just doing a round table and asking what's the main like what do you do and what's the main bottleneck in your business right now and they would write it down on a whiteboard and after that they everyone does it. They write everything on a whiteboard and then you just start speaking about something and write writing it off when they've done it and then that's it. I like that a lot because I think that I've done a few mentorships and I I the the the thing that I recently I launched a uh one-on-one YouTube mentorship

9:07>> and the reason I wanted to do it I was speaking to some of the guys in the team and at first there was a bit of apprehension towards it because it's not scalable. The 101 is not scalable, right? And but I was so big on it because I think that there's a lot of value in being able to deliver courses and um give generic advice >> and I do that but

9:32>> there's nothing like speaking to an actual person about their actual issue and giving specific advice. >> I'm sure you experience this a lot when you you go for coffee with someone >> and they're speaking to you and then you just are having a normal conversation and they walk away like, "Bro, I I didn't even think of that." And you you see and I and I'm not saying that because that that's just you. I'm sure anybody who is anybody who's ever had a conversation with anybody has had moments in their life

10:00>> uh where they've been speaking to somebody and that person's going wa that's like but amazing but it's because they've had that very specific in um intentional conversation. when you give generic advice like here's the five things that you need to do to get to why um the person consuming might already know that thing or they might not know anything >> and you don't have context as well. >> Yeah, you have no context. Um and when you're an expert by the way in a thing, the whole idea of being an expert is that you should be able to help somebody who is um starting out to somebody who is really advanced. But you can't create a generic course for somebody who is on both ends of that spectrum really or you're giving one person like too much information that is not relevant for them or the other one like not enough and stuff like that. So um I never considered that bro. I think that's incredible. Yeah. Like actually asking the people throwing away like a generic slideshow and just saying look what's you guys' bottlenecks and then going through each one.

10:52>> Yeah. >> That's also a whole Sorry. >> Uh we do a um there's a mastermind that we do every year. I think nobody knows this publicly, so I might be like um exposing this. Yeah. >> Um actually, but it's kind of similar to like what um I suppose that you guys do because I know you're quite like tied with Immran and those guys at the cave. >> Uh but there's a thing that that we do.

11:18>> Uh when I say we, it's a group of Muslim brothers who are big in either like social media or business. Um, so like to throw names out there, you'll have people like um the Sunnah guy, uh, Shahib. Um, you have like people who own businesses like um, oh gosh, now it's all like there's brothers who own like payment networks in like the you in in in in like the Islamic world and things like this. So anyway, we all come together, we will hire a big house and um we just split the costs, get food, and every single individual there delivers a mastermind for the other individuals there. There's no payment, there's no cost, nobody makes money off that event. It's closed doors and it's just so we can all benefit each other. and I just got invited to it and it's so we have a WhatsApp group and um and what's incredible about it is that when you know nobody is being charged and you're all splitting the costs and we're all equals there's something about it where you realize okay that conversation is done and we're all just benefiting each other it's lovely and the last time I delivered a presentation I delivered it about uh automations um and then the great thing is I was the one delivering it but then people would question like what would you do in how can you help my business, we have this issue. Okay, we'll talk after blah blah blah. It was just so useful. So, I I think like um we need to kind of do more of those. Sorry, I'm going off on tangents.

12:40>> Oh, that's very good. >> Yeah. Yeah, we need to do more of that. I think like as a as like as a network, like just consistently continue to kind of benefit each other without taking away from, you know, actually being able to like provide services as a business, that's important, too. But like just like sharing knowledge, I think >> the thing that's very good is this is more behind closed doors and it's not public and that it's quoteunquote free. It's just you have to qualify to join the room cuz that we we do similar ones.

13:06We don't organize it the same way but we have you know the WhatsApp group or when I do a lot of events. So I did the event with Alex. I did a few events with Iman. I did some events with some other people and a lot of times you recognize when you enter the room after a few days you start recognizing where everyone is at what they're currently doing how they think. And if you do recurring events, for example, I did an event with Iman in June last year and then did another one in December this year.

13:31>> Iman Gazi. >> Ian Gazi. Yeah. And it was a lot of people who came to the first one came to the second one. You get to see the progress. And that's where you can size people really well. You can be like, okay, this is the level they're operating at cuz they had that problem back then. They were at level three and most of the people were at level five. Now on the second event, the guy at level three got to level eight. and these guys are still on level five or barely go to level six like okay this guy is serious now and that's usually how you create the connections and some for example we have some um some groups with people who make way more money than what most people would know one knows them and it's a similar scenario where we just hop on a zoom call we just share some tips we'll just create a group call and just say hey guys I'm struggling with this how do you guys fix it and we don't charge anyone no one pays anything no one you can recommend someone if you really believe they would be valuable it's the same thing where there's no agenda and you know you're here for the value they're going to provide and you feel like you have to give so much because again you're not getting paid for anything and you're getting free advice. So it's a really good way to to just grow and get business advice from people who are actually really good.

14:35>> So let's get into it then. So you are essentially trying to help Muslims uh with in business, right? Give give me a little bit more context cuz that's like a very like generic sentence that I've given. I want to help the younger version of myself. Okay. >> A few years ago, I was very broke and I had a job and I really wanted to start a business, start entrepreneurship, and I had literally no guidance. The only thing I could find was from non-Muslims and sometimes the advice was literally something I couldn't apply. We can't use, we can't use music, we can't use women in videos and so forth. And they had a lot of So for example, certain things such as just as drop shipping or trading that might be, you know, for the to say the least very gray areas um that I had to stay away from. And it took me a lot more time than it would take most people to actually be successful. Took me over 3 years of actually trying before making any money at all.

15:33And I thought when I'll make it work, why wouldn't I not solve that problem for others? there's probably another guy who's Muslim who wants to have business advice but can't trust other people and specifically non-Muslims. So I was like I'll start posting content and I actually started it's funny you mentioned the Instagram and you know I don't post on short form actually was not even posting on YouTube at first I created a free school community it was called at first it was called hal moneymaking so that was a very bad name so I changed it to the halal network and I was making videos and posting them inside the hal network. I was making loom videos, like 20-minute looms, and I was like, "Nah, this is bad. Let me redo it again." And I would redo the whole thing and post it to get like 17 views inside the community. And the guys were coming like, "That was so sick. Why do you know just take that and post it on YouTube?" I was like, "Nah, I'm good. I have have my agency. I'm making money.

16:18Alhamdulillah, I don't need to post anything on online. I want to stay low key." And they were like, "This is so beneficial. What is your goal?" I was like, "To help more people." They're like, "Post it." I was like, "Well, you might have a point." Um, and then I posted it. And one of my actually my third video is one of the videos that got the most amount of views at a time. And the video I posted after that is the video that took off got about 200,000 views. >> What's the video that took off? Cuz I think that's one I saw. Was that you at whiteboard? >> Yeah.

16:44>> Yeah. That must have been the first time a lot of people introduced to you. >> Yeah. I think out of my five videos, four four of them have me with a whiteboard. >> So >> Wow. And um Okay. So, how are you achieving that mission of trying to help the younger version of yourself? And people who are Muslim, they want to stay away from the haram uh but they want to start entrepreneurship. What is it that you're basically doing for them? The biggest thing I see, my only goal, I don't even know what they need. I I didn't know what they need at first. I was like, "Okay, you don't make money.

17:18Why? Okay, you have a job that you don't like. Why is that?" And I just get more context and I've lived through a lot of what they want to go through. So, it's mainly just sharing experience and helping them navigate thanks to the experience I have or the things I've seen in the Hala network. It grew to about 20,000 members. Alhamdulillah. Now, it's still free. People can still join it and get free advice. And I get to see a lot of the issues they're having. They have mindset issues. They have belief issues. They don't know that it's possible. They don't know that yes, you can make money and yes, you can be online and you can be halal and it's not a scam. Like, they still don't believe that. So, it's just sharing enough context so that they can understand it.

17:52showing proof and the content I also post on YouTube. Literally, I have master classes. I have just breakdowns of how this is how marketing works. This is how a client thinks. This is I have the um 5day live series I did. I went to America and started a business from scratch and I streamed it live for 10 hours a day. >> I watched some of the stream. Yeah. How was that? >> So, and that was actually alhamdulillah it went it went absolutely not like I was planning it to go. [clears throat]

18:18>> Yeah. >> But it turned out really well. So you know first few days first day I made my first dollar in maybe like 10 minutes. I walked into a coffee shop. Uh it was it was actually a Pakistani restaurant and I sold karak. >> Okay. >> I told them I need to make a dollar. How can I make a dollar? I need to earn it. I can get charity and it has to be held. They were like and I said you have karaki on this uh on the menu. Let me find a table that finish their food and sell them karaki. Went to to um some people sold them karaki for $250. Uh they gave me a dollar as my commission.

18:46I was very generous. Alhamdulillah. So I made my first dollar in 10 minutes. goes on for the next six hours. I carry on, go everywhere. Knocked off. And you didn't make anything, right? >> Didn't make anything. Yeah. Cuz I'm watching it. I was like, "Bro, this brother Alahik, like he is um persevering, but also like I respect the sincerity because anybody else might have had like an ego to it like, oh, like you know, I'm helping you with business, but then when I'm doing it, it's been 6 hours." And then I was like, I respect that, man, because you um you are putting your money where your mouth is essentially.

19:20>> Yeah, that's that that's what I wanted to do. I was okay. A lot of people would make excuses. Okay, you have connections now, you have money, you have I was like, sure, how about I go to a country I never been to. I never been to America before. And I do something I never did, which is start a brand new business in America in person, which with no money, no connections, and I have five days. And the target was make $1,000 in five days. So, like I mentioned, made the first dollar in 10 minutes. For the next six hours goes on, I don't make a single dollar. Subhan Allah. I go into I walk into a restaurant and I was I just had to make money. I told him, "What can I do?" There was literally trash outside.

19:54And I said, "I give me whatever you have. I'll just collect trash and I'll do whatever. It's halal and legal. I'll do it and I'll make money." So, collect trash for $2 literally. Um, and that literally wraps up the whole day. I carry on trying to make money. Didn't make a single thing. So, first day I made $3. Second day, same scenario. Nothing works. Literally the whole day, I don't make any money at all. I go to shops. I call call people. I walk into stores. I say I'm going to do cleaning services. I say I'm going to like literally whatever you need. I'm going to I can sell anything you have. I can and I try like so many different things.

20:28You can see it live. It's difficult for me to mention what I did because of how many things I was literally live for 10 hours. Um, nothing worked. I take a I take a Uber and I say the driver was Muslim and I say she I'm doing a challenge. I'm trying to make $1,000 in the next five days. He's like you're crazy. Say yeah I have four days left. I'm on $3. He says I don't know anything but what do you want me to do? I I say is there a masid nearby? He says yeah.

20:59All right. I go to the masid pray there make dua and so forth. Leave the masid. On the parking lot, I see a white Escalade. You know those big big American >> white or white? >> White. White. Okay. White escalade. >> I've never seen a white escalade. >> Yeah. Black escalate. White escalade. The guy >> I go in there. He's busy. And I'm like, I got to make money. I'm going to wait. Literally, there's a guy standing in front of your car. You're on the phone and there's a guy staring at you waiting until you finish your phone call. That's what I was doing.

21:29>> And I was like, this guy, simple logic. I was like, he has a white Escalade. The car cost 100 grand. He must know one way or another how to make money. Let me find something. Um he said he opens the window. He's like, "I'm on the phone. What's up?" I'm like, "I just need five minutes. You got five minutes." I'm like, "I'm on the phone and my son's going to come. When my son's coming, I'll give you some time and and sure." I wait I literally wait like 20 minutes. [laughter] Uh literally sat sat behind the car like this and just like glazing. Is this is this guy his son? Is this guy his son? I was waiting for the guy to hop into the car. He hops into the car and it ends up being a 40-minute conversation where I start by saying, "I'm serious about making money." I don't I don't disclose the challenge cuz I was not allowed. I say, "How to make money? I I'm I'm new in America. I have five four days left to make a,000 bucks. Whatever whatever you guys need. What do you do?" And I start asking questions about what he does. Turns out he runs a he's he's co-founder of a software company in America. And alhamdulillah, he's quite successful. And turns out they're struggling with marketing.

22:28>> Okay. And I was asking questions such as you know uh why is the business not growing as fast as you want? Why are the current issues the business is facing? And he mentions yeah we could get more uh leads if we were to speak uh more on LinkedIn. There's a lot of you know they they do cyber sec cyber security solutions for pretty big companies. So they make sure that they data safe and they build some AI that helps you with cyber security and so forth. And they want to attract big companies that need security. I was like okay. They mentioned to me the contract they would sell would be worth $50,000, $100,000. So I'm like, "Okay, there's there's big money there."

23:00And I said, "Okay, just thank you for the time." I took 40 minutes. I took his phone number and I said, "Tomorrow. Let's hop on a call and speak." He said, "I'm traveling tomorrow." Okay, when are you coming back? He says, "I'm coming back 5 days from now when the challenge ends." I'm like, "There's no way I need to figure it out before." >> Okay, we we he had to go for family and so forth. I say, "It's fine. We'll figure it out. I'll hop on a call with you the next day. Give me the company name, your name. I'll do the homework overnight. Tomorrow, it was like mup time. So, it was around 7 p.m. I said, "Tomorrow 11 a.m. I'll come on a call with the preparation, everything ready.

23:32Let's just hop on a call. Give me the company name. I'll do all the homework. We'll figure it out." I hop on a call with him the next day. I did literally live like 3 hours of deep research on everything about the company. I knew the thing better than he did. And I hop on a call, break down what they're doing, why it's not working, what's missing, what they could fix. And he was like, "Okay, this is amazing. Uh, it makes sense. We realized that this is a problem." Like, "Okay, great. Give me another 24 hours."

23:59Cuz I I validated that that was the issue in their company, which was marketing. Said, "Give me 24 hours. I'll come back with you. Uh, I'll come back to you with a proposal on how I'll fix it. In the meantime, um, I'm starting to put all my eggs in one basket." So, I'm like, "Yeah, this is going to work out. Kalas, I'm on day two. I got co- booked with a guy. The average deal 5 is 75 grand. I'm going to get rich on this. Like, forget IMA, I'm going to start making money with this. You know, I'm on $3 still, but I have hope. I hop on the next day, make the whole presentation.

24:31This is the problem you guys have. This is how we fix it. We're going to implement AI here. And he's like, "Okay, this is very interesting. We're interested. I'll I'll speak with the team and we'll get back, you know, tomorrow." I, of course, I know objection handle trying to close it on the spot. Turns out the team is traveling. He'll have to get back to me another day. And then I hear nothing for the rest of the day. And then I follow up the next day and I hear nothing. And now I'm on day four and I have 24 hours left and all the eggs that I had were in one basket.

25:01>> Yeah. >> And then I'm like, "Okay." And I had a big time. I was like, "Okay." Really big realization when literally everything crashed. You've been ghosted after having I spent what 5 hours doing research, 40 minutes on the parking lot, did a whole presentation. They were interested. He even said I would be ready to put a small deposit down of like a 100 bucks. I was like, "Now, I'd rather get the full payment and just finish the the the deal."

25:24And then on day four, I'm like, "Okay, so now I have 24 hours left. How am I going to figure it out?" Subhan Allah. Just at this point is the only time I turn was everybody was telling me this is a crazy challenge. You shouldn't do it. It doesn't make sense. You're just going to expose yourself. You're going to fail. What if you fail? Everybody in the track cuz it was live was like, "Oh, you're on day four. on $3, big man, big entrepreneur guy teaching you how to make money, make $3 in three days. Um, you know,

25:55>> cuz even I had that thought. >> Yeah. >> When I was watching, I was like, this is not good for his brand. >> And then I'm just like, am I going to quit? Am I going to give up? Am I going to figure out way to make it work? >> I respect that a lot. And even with all the pressure and everything that came with it, I was like, can't give it. I started now. Either I'm going to succeed, I'm going to die trying. I'm not going to stop halfway through. I don't care. Five days, six days, seven days, I'll figure it out.

26:32The next day starts day five. So, it's my last day. >> You're on $3. >> Still on $3. >> Okay. >> And literally $3 that I made in the first like seven hours of the challenge. So, I spent three of the days doing nothing. Were you allowed? So you allowed to use your computer? >> Yes. Yeah, I was allowed phone. I was not allowed any contacts. I was allowed basically what anybody would have that wants to start a business. >> Like you have a phone, you have a laptop, you have Wi-Fi.

26:58>> I would have gone to businesses and just started asking if they want a website. >> Yeah, that broine fine. >> I offered every single service [laughter] on the planet like do you need marketing? Do you need do you need sales services? I was going to go to a guy who has like a couch and try and sell his couch. So many things like trust me I did you can watch this 60 hours of live stream like I tried a lot of stuff >> you've not deleted okay right so you're on day five you wake up in the morning you're on $3 >> big man Abua literally the pressure and the the haters are getting happy now what's going and I I started the live stream 2 hours later that day cuz I was super cooked from the from the the 4 days of live stream literally stream about 30 to 40 hours in three in four days

27:36>> I slept a bit more and then everyone is like okay big man Abu what's going on the live stream is not starting Yeah. Okay. What's going on? $3. I turn up the live stream and everyone is like, "Okay, you're on $3. What's your plan? How you going to figure it out?" I'm I'm winging it. I'm acting as if I'm confident. I have no idea how I'm going to figure it out. I'm like, "Nah, don't worry, guys. I got a plan. I got it." I had no plans. Um I went I mean, I had kind of a plan.

28:01Went again to a went on maps. >> You're in Vegas? >> Yeah, I mean No, no, I mean Dallas. >> Okay. >> That was after the event. I went to Dallas for I had a podcast with Abdullah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> So I'm in Dallas and I search I asked myself I say okay if I have to make a thousand bucks right now it's my last day I have I have to home run it. How am I going to make it work? I say my my background is in marketing from in influencer marketing. I say I'm going to find a way to close a deal literally today. Find influencer today. Close a deal today. Figure everything out today.

28:36Call back the first shop. I I sold Karaki uh to I had his phone number. Uh try and close them on doing some influencer campaigns. Turns out doesn't work. The budget is $300. It's not going to fit. I could have made money, but I'm not going to I'm either going to like properly flop or like properly win. I'm not going to make like 300 then $3 and call it a day. So, and especially if I leave on $3, it puts so much pressure on me that I have to figure it out. Whereas, if I made like 700 bucks, I be like, "Has guys, I made 700 bucks and call it a day." So call call everybody I can uh start searching halal restaurants. Call them.

29:08Say, "Hey guys, how many guys are coming into your restaurant? Why do you not work with influencers? There a ton of guys promoting stuff in Dallas? Look at this. You're selling burgers. This guy's selling burgers. Got a lot more customers. He just made a campaign with this big influencer. Everybody's going there. It's going viral on TikTok. Why are you missing out?" Trying everything. It was I I literally think I planned it so bad. I think it was a Sunday. So like most people were busy. They were like, "Yeah, call me back tomorrow. I'm in the office." And I'm like like I can't say on the phone we're like nah there's no tomorrow bro this today like we don't have time spend the whole day doing this get a hold on a on a phone with a guy trying to sell them an AI solution I say this it was a big chain I think it was called um 8 bits or eight bytes something in in the US it's pretty big they have like 200,000 followers on Instagram I don't know where somehow end up on a phone call with a with a founder and um I'm saying okay guys I've seen your your content on social media why do you guys not post more I was literally thinking like what can I sell them they're already an established business.

30:01I'm like, who would hate marketing? Like more customers. I said, "Let's try it out." I first [clears throat] tried to do influential marketing. They shut me up. They're like, "Bro, we have a whole existing agency. I couldn't use my name." So, they were like, "Who are you?" And I was like, "I'm a tabang guy on the street. I can't help you out." I was like, "Sure, but I'll help you with something else." Long story short, the first offer that I made for the software company was to build them [clears throat] an AI copyriter.

30:31Basically, some some um an AI AI board that would help them write copy for LinkedIn emails and so forth. I offered them the same thing, but I I I reframe because now I have the experience of how people would be interested in buying it. What are the objections? Cuz the guy had a first with him. I'm I'm pre-handling everything. He's I'm I'm literally on the call saying, "Hey guys, I'll build this AR software for you. I'll do it for a fifth of the price. I just need to make a,000 bucks today." Whatever. I hop on. He's like, "Okay, your story is solid." Again, another like 45 minute call. So, your story is solid. Everything makes sense.

31:03Let me speak with my my uh co-founder and I'll get back to you. I hate the whole speaking co-ounders. I have PTSD from that now. Calls him. I'm like, "Give him give me his number." I call the guy. The guy crashes out. Oh, the guy literally like I I went from like super hard. The guy was like, "Yeah, it makes sense. Let's do it. >> That always happens, bro. There's always someone's like, "Oh, like let me Yeah, >> I learned so much just about business, just from this this experience, this whole five days."

31:27>> First guy, I was super hyped. Hangs up. I called the other guy like I'm like, "Yeah, I just spoke with a co-founder. He's super excited." He's like, he starts cursing. I had to literally start beeping the the stream. He's like, "I hate marketers. Everything is a scam." I'm like, "Allah must." And now I again put all my eggs onto this basket. I spent like 3 hours with these guys on the phone [clears throat] because it was the thing I had the the highest likelihood of making money with.

31:52So, another flop. That's the second one. I mean, after all the flops and a big flop with the software company, big second flop with the the restaurant company >> and you're halfway through day five. >> I'm I'm towards the end of day five. >> Okay. >> Literally. And now I start to get realistic. I'm like, I have two hours and everything I tried went back to zero. The guy that I almost got a deal with is ghosting me. The restaurant that was that close of closing, literally, he was like, "Okay, the price makes sense. I'm ready. Let me just speak with the co-founder." I get on a call with the co-founder. The guy starts crashing out.

32:22And the guy calls me back. He's like, "Yeah, sorry. I spoke with the guy. We're not doing it." And I try and he's like, "Bro, you're wasting your time. We're not doing it." I was like, "Has I'm on the end of day five. Two hours left." I'm like, "Is it what we're doing? Am I am I just like flopping now in front of I don't know how many probably like 20,000 people come by so the live stream and then I end the stream saying we tried everything we can I'll figure out a way to make it work but so far we ain't got much and that's how I end the stream and I'm thinking man I'm like come on bro like there's no way I can even make a thousand bucks 5 days big man Abah have over a thousand students help so many people make money. I can't even make a grand.

33:10I literally make the strongest dua I ever did. Like literally for like and alhamdulillah I made dua for way more important things but I was like come on I have specifically because I wanted to inspire people so much and I really wanted to make sure people can see it and the main goal I had I don't really care about the thousand bucks or or doing it live. What I care about is people could see it and see the journey and get inspired that they could do it as well. If I started with nothing again live and I did it, it shows that you can do it as well. And that was the main the main dua I made. I said, "Allah, my goal is is to help people with this. Please just make it work." Like genuinely, I have no like I didn't make a single CTA promote anything throughout the whole thing. I just said, "If you want to be inspired, watch this live stream. I'll show you how I'm I'm trying to start a business from scratch. And if I make it work, that's the proof you can do as well." And I made dua literally so bad that I prayed Aisha. I prayed extra. I prayed like literally so much.

34:07Turns out this the the epic part of the story. Everybody's like, "Okay, so end of day five. What's the update? We see the stream is still on $3. Like what's happening? I'm uh I had to go to South Africa to travel. So I'm on a 34-hour flight. So literally can't be online for this time or like can't work specifically not on the live stream. >> Wait till you hear about Carter Airways. Wait to hear about Katar Airways with Starink.

34:33>> Yeah. No, I [laughter] had No, no, no. I was on Katar Airways, but >> they didn't have the Starink. >> No, they had a Starink, but I was like, I'm not going to start a business on a plane. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. >> I was just plaguing it cuz you were speaking about that last episode. >> No, by the way, plug, but Kata Airways with Starink is amazing. >> Mad. >> Yeah. Yeah. Very, very good. Um, so I land in South Africa literally I land like at night the next morning 9:00 a.m. Somehow I was chasing the guy down the software guy. He gets back to me.

35:05Sorry. Like lit with the worst excuse. Sorry I was busy. Stuff happened. Let's hop on a call. I'm on the verge of eating eating my phone and like crashing out. I'm like, "Okay, let me actually like I have to make six grand. I have to make a grand. Let's do something." I just disclose the number. I hop on a call with him. Subhan Allah. For the first hours, everything is good. He likes it and everything. Around hour 10, I'm looking at my watch. I'm like, my my photographer was like, "Go live, bro." Cuz so far it was like a failure.

35:33I'm like, "No, let's go live." He starts the live stream, man. I'm in the middle of a sales call. And I'm like, "But this time we'll have to make it different. I know you need to speak with the team, but we'll have to close something otherwise it won't make sense. we'll have to do something today. And he was he was back in America and I'm in South Africa now and I have like 12 hour delays. So it was 2 a.m. his time. I was so hungry. I was like, "Nah, sorry. We'll have to make something work now." And he was like, "Now?" And like I could see it was night. Like it was pitch dark. He was in his living room. I was like, "Yeah, now." And he's like, "All right." On the spot, I closed the deal and I ended up not making $1,000. He ends up wiring me $3,000 on the call and that's live. I literally had my phone and I knew people would say like it's a face screen or whatever. I I put my phone there and you know it was on PayPal. You know when the notification just pops,

36:27>> I had it and I was looking at it >> and it popped >> and then you see a pop notification. The first one I think he sent me like $50 to check it >> and the second one is $2,95 $50. >> And then I was like this. I gave a wing to the stream. I finished it because I was literally a sales code. The guy had no idea I was doing the whole uh live stream thing. And subhan Allah, the first thing, alhamdulillah, uh, the deal went through, I literally hang up the sales call, made such to thank Allah.

36:53Alhamdulillah. And literally then I approved it. And it was a $6,000 deal. And >> come on. >> Alhamdulillah. First first $2,000 paid up front and the uh remainder paid over the next 3 months. I didn't care. I was just like, whatever is above $1,000. >> Yeah. So look at that, bro. You not only I mean you did the All right. So you did it on day six. >> Mhm. >> But you did 6K. So you average not $1,000 for the five days, [snorts] $1,000 a day you averaged out. There's so many lessons in that, bro. There's lessons in there's lessons in you wanted 1k for the 5 days. You got 1k per day averaged out. But also

37:28>> I wanted to do it in 5 days and I was sad that it didn't work out. Yeah. >> And I was complaining, >> but it showed persever perseverance and consistency because we we normally give up on things so quickly. And it shows Allahel truly knows best because I was thinking if I want to motivate people I have to make it work in 5 days. If it flops in 5 days if Allah you decide I'm going to flip in 5 days then surely people won't be motivated and won't start a business and then it doesn't help. That was [clears throat] my logic cuz I don't know.

37:54>> But maybe Allah wanted to show the people that you have to persevere. >> Exactly. >> And you get more >> because that's what business is about. It's not about making money easily and if I made 1,000 bucks on the first day. >> It's not about making money fast. >> Exactly. And it's about failing so much. You seen it? >> Yes. Yeah. And then I was like, I failed on day five. Everyone seen it. I literally ended the stream saying, we're on the end of day five. I'm still on $3. I'll figure something out. And then you have the proof on day six and I make the money. Like that's literally the journey that people go through when it comes to entrepreneurship. They start, they see some success in the beginning, then everything goes bad, they flop, failure after failure after failure, they persevere, they don't understand why it's not working, they make dua, and then it takes off.

38:34>> There was dua. There was even stuff like actions are you know how judged by how you end them like you know you persevere right to the very end. So yeah man I love that I respect that and we're in a living in a time right now where as a people we just give up on things very quickly and we don't p persevere and we also want to um we just want to do things for the looks right um and we don't want to put in the graft and the hard work. So yeah, I respect that, man. Cuz I was watching on maybe like I don't know day two or something and it was like $1 or something like that on the stream. I was like it was like money made today. I was like I was like half was like oh no like this is not a good look and the other half was like I really want him to do this man because like I I love your branding and stuff. So

39:17>> I had so many people supporting it. They were like >> come on let's let me just DM you on Instagram, send you a thousand call a day. Let come. I know a guy like some guys cuz I was in Dallas and alhamdulillah the stream got some some traction some views guys in Dallas were like bro I know a guy he wants business let me let's go let's find it and I was like I can't use connections I'm not allowed to use my brand I can't use anything so I literally had to go from scratch >> funny story the guy still doesn't know that this was a whole live stream thing yeah the guy was amazing by the way bless him was a Muslim guy and he specifically wanted another lesson here I found the guy on the parking lot of a masid the guy with a white Escalade

39:56>> and he genuinely I could see it throughout the entire journey that he really wanted to help me mainly because I was Muslim and I was hardwork >> and he was like you know a lot of people would say you know Muslims don't want to hire others they want to they don't want to help each other etc they would always hire other people I really didn't I don't believe that's the case cuz alhamdulillah I only in my company only work with Muslims my my entire team is Muslim alhamdulillah and he had a very similar situation where he's running a cyber security company like he has no particular advantage hiring a Muslim like I work with Muslims. My students are Muslim. It makes sense. My team is Muslim. They're doing cyber security for software companies like

40:31>> it does there's there's nothing specific >> but he was he just wants to work with people that aligns with these values and throughout the journey he was very inspired by just you know how we had to give the actual story which is I just came to the US. I'm starting out a business I need to make something work which was the case and throughout the entire thing you could see he genuinely tried to help. He was like, "Okay, if if the deal doesn't go through with my team, I'll try and see if I can know a friend of a friend that can recommend you someone cuz it feels like you need it. It feels like you're hardworking. I'm I'm happy to support like that." That that also is some of the things, you know, you just spent 200 quarter a million on books.

41:06[laughter] >> That's the other side of the story. I couldn't say it. And that also that also taught me so much. It also challenged my patients so much cuz if you have to go down and collect trash for $2 >> Yeah. after you made a lot of money like it humbles you and you get to understand like you go from all the way at the top again and not saying I'm at the top or whatever but you go from some level of success to like complete bottom collecting trash like it teaches you so much and humbles you so much.

41:33>> Yeah, that reminds me of um that reminds me of something. I I I'll I'll hand it to you Solomon in a second, but uh you reminded me of a something before which was it was not money related, but it's similar to like the trash thing, which is there's this story I heard before. There's this sheh who was about to speak in front of like thousands of people at this venue, and right before he was meant to be speaking, they couldn't find him. So, they were looking everywhere for him, and they found him in the toilets cleaning the toilets. and he said, um, I'm about to stand in front of so many people and like as if I'm like some as if I'm someone speaking to them on a stage. So I So he came went to the toilet to clean them to humble himself to remind himself he's just like he's like that he's nothing basically. I thought I've always remembered that story and I always try to remember that in important times and lessons whether it's when we're doing well or like just before a show or something just to be like just remember that you are nothing and it is Allah that we are solely respons in in in need of and um without Allah we have nothing that is given to us is given to us from Allah and is up to him and is in his control and I think like we can become arrogant very quickly and you know even in your field which is you know info products It's, you know, in some ways you have to kind of show how much money you have or have made in order to in order for people to see the proof that you can make money and can make their money. So, it's part of the business. But what comes with that sometimes is a side of arrogance. And I think that was what I really liked about your stuff is you when we met like, you know, may Allah protect you and and and and and protect you from from arrogance.

43:10Uh but you know you seem very humble and you genuinely want to help people and yes okay maybe part of part of it is to explain how much money you have made and can help people make but um yeah I don't see like that you ever claimed that it was because of you. It seems very clear that you're like look stay hal and and and and all that kind of stuff and and it's from Allah. And one of the things that you and I were discussing over coffee yes two days ago is I was saying that um you see a lot of people trying to kind of like make halal money but there's like Hamza told us on the podcast the other day there's like levels to halal right and there's likean and what I've seen through your content from the little that I've seen of it is that you're not only trying to create content that's permissible but it's actually like conservative. is like is not is not it's not a gray area like you just said like about drop shipping, right? Like it's a gray area at at best you could say that. I've always stayed away from it as well.

44:08>> I'm just saying that's so comments don't crash out and I'm not I'm not qualified to have that. >> Yeah. No well neither neither am I, but and and perhaps it's completely fine, but I remember when it got big and I looked into it and I was like this seems risky. There's a few question marks and maybe those have been answered now because I haven't looked at them and you know um >> most of the opinions as in you can just look it up the authentic opinions mentioned that the way it's done you're selling something you don't own and that's clearly selling something you don't own is haram by definition.

44:37>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I've I've also [clears throat] heard another side which is that um that the context matters and so if for example a business is actual business is that they guarantee that something is printed on demand or something like that then it's different and things like this. So I don't know but what my point >> that's why I said gray area to say the least. Yeah, my point in in that is that the fact that I can see [clears throat] that you are so being so conservative with it uh and you're so careful and that's what you preach as well. I think like it's admirable. It's something that we've tried to do. You know, we always have famously been like with the YouTube ads on our like long form content.

45:12>> I respect that. I respect I respect that cuz I I I could make >> money a lot of money with YouTube ads, but we also have the program in the way of monetizing it. Bro, we we're sitting on maybe like 20 million views, bro, over the course of like question [clears throat] guarded and um alhamdulillah we were just advised um like it's you can't filter it enough and and there's other opinions by I've spoken to I love and respect who I see like a father who have told me that it's fine.

45:38So I don't ever try to impose it on others but for us it just hasn't sat well with us. And so but that's just like one thing right there's like lots of things that we try to do. I'm not trying to say like look at us we're so pious because we actually struggle a lot um and we have a lot of weaknesses but I do admire that about you. Uh so I want to kind of give you your flowers on that. >> Cool. Um [clears throat] >> I have a question. Um >> just know where should I look to you to the camera?

46:04>> Yeah. Okay. >> Um so I have a question. We can see that um a common denominator in successful business or business people is consistency. Like [clears throat] you were saying for example your story in America I think maybe 80% of people would have given up after day four definitely or >> after day one most people spend a whole day trying to knock on doors and you get like messed around and you make $3 collecting trash like most people would give up >> of course and you as a person know how valuable consistency is cuz if I'm not mistaken I think the the course you sell you um tell the students have to do 4 hours a day

46:36>> cuz you know consistency will make work of course and then you have a very high success rate as But my question is, if someone was to lack consistency >> or find it hard to stay consistent with a task, what would your advice be to them? >> I would look, this is very easy to answer cuz that's one of the things I had to study the most going through the program. Like I genuinely want people to be successful and I saw that we could only make the program so good. We could only add so many trainers. We could only add so much training. At some point, the thing works. After that, it's just how do we get the people to do the work? And we've seen that the biggest reason by far is the reason why they're doing it.

47:18>> Yeah. >> Because we've seen that everyone goes through the same, for example, for our program, everyone goes through the same journey. It's the same program. There's there's literally no difference. We see people who very quickly would have amazing success. We see people who even after months of training, they're still not successful. And we ask ourselves why. And then we just looked at data. And funny enough, students who do really well, we end up hiring them as coaches to train others.

47:44>> And one day I was just asking my coaches and I'm like, actually, why did you even start the program in the first place? All of them had a reason that was so deep. It wasn't I want to make money and get rich or buy this or buy that. One guy was I haven't seen my wife in nine months cuz I have to work in the US. M >> another one was my kids are being raised in the west. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not happy with what they're teaching my kids in school

48:11>> and I can carry on like so many other ones. My dad is still working. He's going to become 60 and with uni it's going to take me so long to do something for them. When you hear this, it clearly shows you the key in my opinion to consistency. You can try and artificially manipulate your routine and add so many things to it or you can be in a situation where you don't really have a choice and that's where we've seen the best results. So I would say the the the key to consistency is finding the reason why you're doing what you're doing what you want to get from it and sometimes people have a big why they just don't know about it.

48:48>> So you have to ask yourself what situation am I in? You have to realize it. You have to ask yourself, Allahel gave me a potential. What am I doing with it? I'm going to be held accountable for this potential and for the situation that I'm in. Because of course, and allahel wrote everything that's going to happen, but you have a play in it. If you have the ability to do something and you don't, you can't say this is this is your active decision to not do it.

49:15>> Yeah. >> And a lot of times you not doing anything would lead to a bad consequence. You might have your family that gets hurt. You might have sort of things that happen to people around you. It's realizing this and then taking an action about it. So it's taking accountability and and ownership over your situation and then taking the necessary actions to go through it. Like I've seen the most disciplined people just be the people who didn't have a choice. >> They have to make it work. >> Thank you.

49:40>> What's um what what is the French Muslim community like? I don't know too much about it, but what I do know is um what the English Muslim community is like >> and you know they're very like strong [clears throat] and passionate and stuff. And so recently over the past like 2 years I say I've been I've been meeting more and more French brothers through my time at Tatil uh we did this huge launch in France and we realized there's so much passion by France and it's often a slept upon like market in the Muslim space uh because it's uh because they're not English speaking but if you manage to do French like communication there's a whole group of brothers there who are um passionate about the dean and they're wealthy and they're businessmen and they're entrepreneurs. Where is the is is there a lot going on in that in like in the French community in terms of like communities and projects and things like that or is it is it like a little bit behind kind of the English speaking world?

50:40>> No, it's actually very advanced. >> Yeah, >> it's very advanced. It's just not uh famous as in there's a lot of Muslims in France who are running a business like you mentioned. Literally some of the early guys were here before for example Airbnb arbitrage was famous. they were doing it like before I know some people who way before people started selling courses on how to do Airbnb arbitrage for example Muslims that were living in France were running this as a business um a lot also a lot of the Muslims in France are from North Africa they're Algerian or Moroccan or Tunisian they're first generation immigrants and their parents had to uh come to France for work you're not going to get a great job as someone who's coming from a foreign country specifically in France so a lot of them just had to figure out way to make their own money. Most of the um shops, restaurants uh in France, a lot of them spec specifically the the the famous ones, not the big brands, but the famous, you know, like local restaurants would be owned by Muslims a lot of times.

51:36>> It seems like there's so much French and like sorry, the French Algerians, French Moroccans and stuff like that. um is there from the outside looking in it feels like when we look at the media there's a lot of and obviously there is like a lot of like racism towards Muslims and stuff like that but when you're actually there does does it still feel like that or like do you feel like there's a lot of community Muslim community there >> so you you feel like you're not in a Muslim country you see the madness you struggle to for example

52:06>> pray on on on >> I had a friend who said that if he got caught praying at work he would have got fired Yeah, I I used to be in the same situation. I used to >> in UK that's not that's like I when I had a job in the UK, I said to my well just before I signed the contract, I said to my employer, I said, "One thing I do need to pray like five times a day." And he was like, "Okay, yeah, we'll just treat that as like a water break." >> Yep. >> So I that was like going >> I learned this about the UK. So I used to be in the same situation. I used to have to pray for maybe like 3 to four years when I was between uni and work.

52:37Always sound crazy. I don't know if I should disclose that, but I'm I'm pretty sure I can like clock that door because of how I used to to open like rooms, just pray in there and go. Um, again, it was completely legal and the and the halal. Um, but I used to hire to pray and that's one of the reasons why I wanted to start a business to be able to make money and get out of France. And one thing I realized actually when I went to the UK, I went to a trip and it was I think it was like time and I had to pray. I go as a security guard. I'm like, "Hey, as you go pray, do you know any masjid or anything?" He was like, "No, but if you" and he was not Muslim and he was like, "But if you want, there's a park here. You can just go there and and pray." I was so baffled.

53:20>> I was like, "What do you like, if I do this in France, the next day I'm on headlines? I'm I'm going to be people are going to be snotting me being like, "What is this guy doing outside on the streets? This is how they're spreading Islam. This is how they're doing. They're going to bring terrorism. Like, they're going to take a m a mad conclusion. I'm just praying." So [cough and clears throat] >> alhamdulillah you're still welcome. >> So [snorts] I lost but I was mentioning the

53:47>> yeah the difference in UK. Yeah I the the I think that's one of the things that yeah you do feel completely comfortable to pray in the UK isn't it? I've prayed I remember like in the weirdest but like uh in Camden or numerous times I've like had to pull up and park up and just use my car as the sutra and just pray behind my car. Uh most Muslims in the UK carry a travel prayer mat in their car or something. Um even like I remember one of the weirdest interesting places I prayed was I I don't do this often but it was like a special occasion or something but uh we went for dinner at the Shard, right? So there's that they have restaurants there. The Shard is really like beautiful like massive building in the center of London. It would be like they couldn't of like I don't know like um having dinner by the Eiffel Tower or something like that.

54:36>> That's probably not Yes. Like similar. Not really. I'm going to get absolutely [laughter] like not in the Eiffel Tower. I'm just nearby like >> really famous restaurant. >> Remember one time I spoke about like tax or something on fresh. I got absolutely roasted by everyone. Um anyway, so we haven't did in the shard. First and only time I've ever done it. Uh before everyone starts saying that I'm bougie and that's what I normally do. But it was a special occasion. Anyway, eating dinner. >> You have do you have PTSD from your audience? Why do you guys have done?

55:02>> You guys are like second guessing every sentence. That's true. That's true. >> Come on guys, respect the guy. >> So if I haven't mentioned it, we do the show [laughter] and we I done I said to the guy, "Oh, is there something I can pray?" He goes, "No, there's no prayer rooms, but let me see if I can sort something out." I said, "All right, cool." Comes back to me and he goes, "Here's a room key." Um and uh yeah, the room number is this this this just get back to me after. And so I literally went up like one of the top floors in the shard, bro. Beautiful hotel. You got the the view for the window was the skyline of the whole of central London. Stunning, bro. And but they just trusted me. Just gave me the key for and I think I checked after like 500 night hotel room and literally went there, prayed and then um

55:43>> Yeah, man. I gave him the key back. Well, I was like that's how I suppose in some ways accommodating it is to pray. >> Yeah. It's not. >> Yeah. >> The thing is the the Muslim community is very strong. Alhamdulillah. As in because of how difficult it is to practice. It's not I don't want to say difficult in a way where we're like oppressed or any other. Alhamdulillah. I was my family everyone is Muslim. My my the woman in my family wear hijab. There's alhamdulillah. There's no it's not as bad as the media says it in terms of like being oppressed. There's none of that. Specifically people I don't think people realize

56:13>> but people don't like Muslims. >> They don't like it. really rarely you would genuinely see the the issues that you hear on media cuz I lived in France for over 20 years. You wouldn't see any of the the you know this guy can't they they would use your basically when they know they won't have any consequences they would enforce the law. Any other times when they have a risk they would let it go. Does that make sense? Mh. >> So, for example, if it's a 14year-old girl at school, they were like, "Take off your hijab cuz no one can be there and she's like this little lady, she can't do anything and they're going to like bully her." If I'm a whole grown man and I have a beard and it's not allowed. All right, tell me.

56:51>> The beard is allowed, right? >> That that's an example. Or like if I'm if I I also would just avoid getting in trouble because I know I represent Islam and I don't want to create an issue. But you can't they know they they tried to enforce certain things and then they saw the consequences of it on a smaller scale like you can genuinely fear feel that they they fear the consequences of what they would do as in if they were to create a revolt they would just >> you can't you can't really like tell the entire entire like religion of people like you can't you can't just ban the hijab like you can't wear and I think we saw like the issues with that when covid happened I think like the nikab was banned And but then everybody had to forcefully wear a face mask. And it was like look at the uh hypocrisy here. It's like you can go around even to this day because of what how traumatized we are from COVID.

57:43Anybody could walk around anywhere with a face mask and nobody would now ever say anything to them. And I don't think people >> it's the same thing like in the in in like in the from the if you take away the intention behind it. It from a visual perspective is the same thing your face is being covered but that's like completely okay. So then clearly your issue is not that people are covering their faces. Your issue is that you feel like you don't like the ideology ideology behind it or the religion behind it not the actual cloth because you now are like in fact you're enforcing it. Right. So it's like yeah man it's uh hib

58:19>> but the community is very strong. There's actually a story with this. Um in France there's a lot of um if you go to medical school most people would be Muslims. >> A lot of the a lot of the people >> um they in the hospitals and everything they banned hijab right so you can't wear it >> really nurses and everything. >> Yeah. So one of the and and France is in a >> but that's that's I I to think of in it

58:44>> probably because a French for example and that's so that's how bad they would push the racism a guy who is dying and the most qualified doctor would be a hijabi he would he would be like give me someone else I'm like you about to die [laughter] >> like what are you talking about that's that's how how mindboggling it is but you would have u they like I said they banned the hijab so sisters wouldn't they wouldn't be able to wear the the the hijab, you know, when you go surgery and you have that thing that that the surgeon used to cover his head and the whole mask top. So, basically, they fully covered, it's just not the actual hijab that they wear, but they fully covered top and they started using this, right? And then the government the the people who made that law got mad. They were like, well, they got us now. They fully covered, but it's not called hij.

59:28So, how about we ban this as well? Again, how how about they pushing it? They tried this. That was for the sisters who were wearing it. All the men who were Muslim started wearing it as well >> for this as in they were like, "Okay, I'm I'm a man now. I can wear whatever I want." Right. >> Yeah. >> I'm wearing it because it's cuz that's how I like to to dress. Why why do you ask a lady to take it off? Why why do I know how to take it off? >> Yeah.

59:53>> And from that everyone started as in supporting it and again same story where they you know when I mentioned when they try to enforce the law and the CD reaction that time after that they kind of dropped it back and if they have a specific case scenario where in that hospital there's not a lot of money. Can a hijabi patient go to a hospital and wear hijab? >> A patient is different patient. >> Okay, but like the nurses and stuff, >> nurses, doctors, >> I had no idea. >> And you know what's so bad is that they are in a deficient like they need more staff specifically during co

1:00:20>> nurses and stuff. >> They need they were in deficiency of I don't know like nurses were overworked, doctors were overworked. It's still the case. >> They need more doctors. The most qualified ones most of the times are Muslim >> and they're going to be like let me make it harder for them to to work here. Like how illogical is this? >> And we by the way the Muslim hijabi who's a doctor, she's going to heal a French guy, a French white guy who's not Muslim. She's going to cure him better than anyone else. So she's healing your people.

1:00:51>> Yeah. >> And you're telling her to dress differently. >> Yeah, man. >> Like that's how peak it is. You rather you people die just because you want to see her hair. Like how mad is it? >> Yeah. >> Mad bro. That's that's that's peak. >> Yeah. When you think about it, it's nuts. Um I just before we round out the podcast, I do want to go back to So IMA for those people who don't know cuz we we never really introduced you. Um so you kind of like blew up in the space because of IMA, which is um influencer marketing influencer marketing agency.

1:01:25And you're basically helping people start an influencer marketing agency and basically be the middleman between brands and influencers. Uh and then basically taking like a cut of that money, right? And you're basically teaching that business model and explaining how it can be done in a halal way because if you go to halal brands, you go to influencers who are not being immoral, then you know it's halal money. And now you've kind of like moved not away from that, you're still doing it, but like in parallel, you're also just teaching general business advice. So what um in what format are you teaching Muslims about business?

1:01:58>> Mainly on long form on YouTube. I still have the H network as a community as well. >> Fine. >> Where we have some trainings in there. >> There's there's a lot more stuff that's going to be on my YouTube channel. >> Do you have like paid services? >> Yeah, I have the program as well. >> Oh, you have the program. The program is IMA. >> Yeah, the program. >> The mentorship. >> The mentorship. We also have free resources on IMA. And so Iran's neighbor made money with IMA from my free videos. Okay. He was at his mid one he made. I was like, "Bro, the guy I did a podcast with, I actually did his stuff. I made like a thousand bucks. I don't know how much he made, but he was like, "I made money from this guy." And a man called me was like, "Bro, the guy on my watch your videos, made money." I was that made me really happy. So that's that's the kind of stuff I really enjoy. The on the program side of things. The reason why actually the program is paid is it takes such a big people don't realize it, but I have 50 employees just working on the program specifically. It takes such an infrastructure to like we had over just for context we had over 40,000 people apply for the program and we have to filter through everyone who wants to apply that's since we started we started about a year and a half ago alhamdulillah so that's that's a lot of people

1:03:00>> from that you have to on board the people train them for 6 months and it's actual training so like you're going to have calls with the trainer one ones like okay this is how you do it this is okay let me review what you're doing let me help you through it and that's the only reason why we have to actually like charge for it if I could just give you the source and you go ahead and do it like if you have questions on IMA and they can use it and make money like please go ahead and I would generally be happy. >> Amazing. I appreciate that bro. Thank you so much Ably to finally meet you. Uh I was looking forward to it and so we finally made it happen. Let's do it again sometime inshallah and uh and hopefully if we're ever in your neck of the woods then we'll come down and see you as well and maybe we can get a French podcast out soon.

1:03:37>> 100%. And if you're in Medina you're most welcome. >> Thank you. I appreciate that man. Here comes the left. I like it.